For reasons that are not obvious, I have completed the astrometric solutions for all 72 Megacam amplifiers on the 3 60-sec images discussed in the previous note (which was based on data from 18 amplifiers). No big changes, but the larger number of pairs (about 2.5 million) gives better statistics. My desire was to look at the small separation results to see if there was some sort of astrometric "floor". To do this, I changed the bin size from 30 arcsec to 5 arcsec, and I have given the full table as an appendix to this message. Conclusions that make some sense this morning are the following. 1) The astrometric "floor" appears to be a median error of about 3 mas. Subtracting this in quadrature from the value at 200 arcsec (about 7 mas) gets these results pretty close to the factor of 7.8 predicted by SQRT(60/1) from the exposure times. 2) The upturn in the first bin (0-5 arcsec separations) is probably due to image blending. Even in good seeing, images this close will need a different astrometric algorithm than the isolated, single star routine that I used. 3) I think that the turn-over seen at large separations (> 200 arcsec which is about 1000 pixels) comes from the least squares fit needed to remove the effects of the optics. Least squares always emphasizes the end points, and the lack of high-frequency terms in a linear or quadratic fit ought to minimize the errors at something on the scale of the dimensions of the CCD. I think that the "correct" answer is the one seen in the 1-sec undithered data where the astrometric error reaches an asymptotic limit and then stays there. 4) I am beginning to think that we don't need to re-do the full-field astrometric solution in favor of many small-field solutions, at least if Mauna Kea is the site. The Flagstaff data taken quite a while ago showed a much larger difference between the small-field and large-field errors, but now I am in the process of convincing myself that this comes from the quality (or lack thereof) of the site. If all we gain is a factor of 2 between the large-field solution and a plausible small-field size of 30 arcsec, and if we really get something like 7 mas per visit, then we really ought to be able to get something like 1 mas per year (==SQRT(1 visit/week)). Maybe I can get the Megacam engineering folks to take 3 undithered frames of the same field a few more times to see if SQRT(Nvisit) has anything to do with the astrometric results. Again, many thanks to those who provided the data: this is just what I think we need to plan the astrometric side of the Pipeline. -Dave ===================== Middle of N 25% 50% 75% bin (arcsec) <--------- mas -------> ------------------------------------------------- 2.50 1172 1.9 3.4 5.6 7.50 5719 1.8 3.2 5.0 12.50 9222 2.0 3.4 5.3 17.50 12392 2.2 3.6 5.7 22.50 15510 2.3 3.9 5.9 27.50 18562 2.5 4.1 6.4 32.50 20894 2.6 4.3 6.6 37.50 23546 2.7 4.5 6.9 42.50 26033 2.8 4.7 7.2 47.50 28076 3.0 4.9 7.5 52.50 29842 3.1 5.0 7.6 57.50 31884 3.1 5.2 7.9 62.50 33188 3.2 5.3 8.0 67.50 34796 3.3 5.4 8.2 72.50 36024 3.4 5.5 8.4 77.50 37470 3.5 5.6 8.5 82.50 38175 3.5 5.7 8.5 87.50 38737 3.5 5.7 8.6 92.50 39446 3.6 5.8 8.8 97.50 39550 3.6 5.9 9.0 102.50 39861 3.7 6.0 9.0 107.50 39887 3.7 6.0 9.2 112.50 40144 3.8 6.1 9.3 117.50 39746 3.8 6.2 9.4 122.50 39326 3.8 6.2 9.5 127.50 39076 3.8 6.3 9.6 132.50 38259 3.8 6.4 9.7 137.50 37195 3.9 6.4 9.7 142.50 36919 3.9 6.5 9.8 147.50 35844 4.0 6.5 9.9 152.50 34813 4.0 6.7 10.0 157.50 33400 4.1 6.7 10.2 162.50 32092 4.2 6.8 10.2 167.50 31243 4.2 6.9 10.2 172.50 30413 4.3 6.9 10.3 177.50 29620 4.3 7.0 10.3 182.50 28670 4.4 7.0 10.4 187.50 28554 4.4 7.1 10.5 192.50 27827 4.5 7.1 10.4 197.50 27119 4.4 7.1 10.4 202.50 26720 4.5 7.1 10.5 207.50 26035 4.5 7.2 10.5 212.50 25520 4.5 7.2 10.6 217.50 24897 4.5 7.2 10.5 222.50 24635 4.6 7.2 10.5 227.50 24237 4.6 7.3 10.6 232.50 24077 4.5 7.2 10.5 237.50 23601 4.6 7.2 10.5 242.50 23181 4.5 7.2 10.5 247.50 23131 4.6 7.1 10.4 252.50 22545 4.6 7.2 10.4 257.50 22048 4.5 7.2 10.4 262.50 21728 4.5 7.1 10.3 267.50 21661 4.6 7.2 10.4 272.50 21160 4.5 7.1 10.2 277.50 21090 4.5 7.0 10.2 282.50 20630 4.5 7.0 10.1 287.50 20536 4.5 7.0 10.1 292.50 20094 4.4 6.9 10.0 297.50 19979 4.4 6.9 9.9 302.50 19946 4.4 6.9 9.9 307.50 19069 4.3 6.8 9.8 312.50 19115 4.3 6.8 9.8 317.50 18871 4.3 6.7 9.8 322.50 18524 4.3 6.6 9.6 327.50 18042 4.3 6.7 9.7 332.50 17967 4.2 6.6 9.6 337.50 17780 4.2 6.6 9.5 342.50 17538 4.2 6.6 9.6 347.50 17407 4.1 6.5 9.5 352.50 17228 4.2 6.6 9.4 357.50 17003 4.2 6.6 9.5 362.50 16847 4.2 6.5 9.4 367.50 16361 4.1 6.5 9.4 372.50 16333 4.1 6.5 9.2 377.50 15880 4.1 6.4 9.3 382.50 15768 4.1 6.5 9.3 387.50 15629 4.1 6.4 9.2 392.50 15475 4.1 6.4 9.2 397.50 15255 4.1 6.5 9.2 402.50 15061 4.1 6.4 9.1 407.50 14981 4.1 6.3 9.0 412.50 14579 4.0 6.4 9.1 417.50 14441 4.1 6.3 9.0 422.50 14175 4.1 6.3 9.1 427.50 13891 4.0 6.3 9.1 432.50 13838 4.0 6.3 9.1 437.50 13479 4.1 6.3 9.0 442.50 13343 4.0 6.3 9.0 447.50 12916 4.0 6.2 9.0 452.50 13033 4.1 6.3 9.0 457.50 12861 4.0 6.2 8.9 462.50 12687 4.0 6.3 8.9 467.50 12293 3.9 6.1 8.8 472.50 12106 4.0 6.2 8.8 477.50 11949 3.9 6.1 8.8 482.50 11701 4.0 6.2 8.9 487.50 11604 3.9 6.1 8.8 492.50 11322 3.9 6.1 8.8 497.50 11103 3.9 6.1 8.8 LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST Mailing List Server LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST This is message 92 in the lsst-general archive, URL LSST http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~dss/LSST/lsst-general/msg.92.html LSST http://www.astro.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/LSSTmailinglists.pl/show_subscription?list=lsst-general LSST The index is at http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~dss/LSST/lsst-general/INDEX.html LSST To join/leave the list, send mail to lsst-request@astro.princeton.edu LSST To post a message, mail it to lsst-general@astro.princeton.edu LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST