Hello All, In response to Michael's prodding and Dave's "sneak" attack, I've put some various thoughts on e-paper as an expanded version of Dave's section B (regarding what LSST astrometry can do for Galactic Halo studies). Instead of focusing primarily on the streams, I would emphasize the structure of the halo (which of course includes the streams). Many areas need to be fleshed out with real numbers (and this may be longer than Michael wants already) but perhaps those of us interested in these topic (Monet, Olsen, Saha, Ivezic, ?) can iterate. Cheers -Dennis Zaritsky B.1 Tracing the Smooth Luminous Halo From measurements of relatively local stars the current understanding appears to be that the galaxy has a stellar halo of steeply falling density (rho propto r^{-3} Ivezic et al.) and a possible cutoff at r ~ 50 kpc. Using SDSS data, the halo and its inhomogeneities, are traced with stars that are brighter than M ~ 0 at several tens of kpc (m_r ~ 20 at the suggested cutoff radius). LSST will reach m_r ~ 26, which is fainter than the main sequence turnoff at the suggested cutoff radius (M ~ 6). The turnoff stars then become an excellent tracer of the halo (other types of stars that are that blue (B- V ~ 0.4) and that faint will be vastly outnumbered (factor?) by the main sequence stars and should be available perhaps out to perhaps 100 kpc. Proper motions can be used to further remove contaminants (foreground white dwarfs will be ~100 times closer). The tracing of the halo can be done in a highly statistical manner by matching models with specific properties to the number counts and proper motion distributions. One should keep in mind that unlike the current status, where because we are relatively data starved we need to be fairly confident of each star (particularly in the use of giants in the halo), in the LSST era much more can be done confidently in a statistical manner. Even with SDSS, the structures that are being found are the ones we can point to the overheads (this will change with time once the cream has been skimmed and the data deluge recedes). Goals: 1) Confirm/refute presence of cutoff at 50 kpc (trace the 3-D shape of the cutoff). This is simple for LSST, but see issue about colors and the use of colors to discriminate giants/dwarfs (below). 2) Identify any further cutoffs (shell structure? multiple shells as seen in secondary infall calculations?). Tests of smooth infall vs. hierarchical. 3) Measure radial behavior of stellar halo from 50 kpc to 200+ kpc. 4) Measure velocity ellipsoid vs. r to constrain infall models and halo orbit families (important for formation/evolution modeling (deposition of angular momentum) and for mass profile determinations).This would be done with local halo populations for which the proper motions would be measurable (the 10-20 km/sec proper motions envisioned for the final survey would be ideal). Question: What the relative merits of more colors to do color-color selection vs. more in one passband to do more precise astrometry?} The clear purpose of multicolor data is to separate stellar population (i.e. foreground dwarfs from halo giants, etc.). Some recent results using the SDSS filters suggest that broad band colors might do a reasonable job. The preferred narrow-band filters are probably out of the question for LSST. Could they be done (at least in part) by a dedicated smaller telescope? This topic needs more work on understanding how much can be gleaned from a relatively standard filter set, and how much cannot. B.2 Tracing the Unseen Halo LSST can play a role in the study of Galactic dark matter in at least two ways: 1) it will provide dynamical information to map the inner halo via proper motions, 2) it will identify RR Lyrae stars at large distances to greatly increase the number of dynamical tracers in the outer halo, 3) it will provide the most comprehensive survey of the luminous Galactic components. B.2.1 One of the most compelling arguments for a large dark matter halo comes from the fastest moving star (one assumes that is is bound and therefore derives a mass). It is a simple argument. By actually measuring the full 3-D velocities of stars in the local neighborhood, we would have not just a single fast moving star but a sample of fast moving stars from which orbits could be constructed. A self-consistent mass model would not only need to explain the velocity distribution function but would need to tie that into the density of objects at larger radii (i.e. if we find that many local stars have apogalacticons of 100 kpc, there better be a corresponding population of stars at 100 kpc). Tracing a population in this manner is much more constraining on a model than simply using a satellite galaxy (or two) at large radii. B.2.2 Dynamical tracers at large radii are important because they provide independent measures of the total enclosed mass. Again, the consistency required by the study of these objects with the local velocity distribution function is well beyond anything available to date. Examining such studies as that by Kochanek (1996) or Wilkinson and Evans (1999), where the dynamics of various populations at different radii are combine, the tightening of the constraints by including a range of objects at different radial scales is evident. The current state of the art includes ~ 30 objects, ongoing work reaches ~100 objects over 6 Schmidt plates (Clewley et al. 2002). LSST will dwarf these studies. B.2.3 The interpretation of the microlensing results depends on several factors. The LSST can provide critical information on the radial distribution of stellar lensing populations and perhaps some information on the tangential velocities of lensing sources. The ambiguities in the interpretation that can be introduced by deviating from a standard halo can be seen in the study by Geza, Evans, & Gates (1998). Goals: 1) Precise radial profile for stellar halo components. 2) Precise measurement of the structure within the halo (what are the likely over/under densities along the LMC and SMC lines-of-sight?). 3) Precise measurement of the tangential velocities (perhaps available only for the nearer lenses). At 1/2 the distance to the LMC (where lensing is favored), the proper motions will be good to 25-50 km/sec and so a lensing populations should be separable from the LMC stars, and a dispersion may be measurable if it is comparable to that of the Galactic halo (~ 150 km/sec). C. Tracing the Lumpy Halo To best trace the streamers we need both distances and velocities to halo stars. LSST provides the best avenues for obtaining each of these over large areas of the sky. First, RR Lyrae stars will be identified throughout the halo and provide distances for any overdensity of stars identified as a potential streamer. MSTO stars can also be used (see above). Second, proper motion measurements will provide some information on the kinematic coherence of any overdensity. The First Light observations are not useful for this program, but the first repeat and then the completed mission probe the range of expected halo velocities first to about 50 kpc and eventually to 200 kpc and beyond. Ironically, although radial velocities are generally much easier to obtain than tangential velocities, the all-sky nature of LSST will make proper motions easier to obtain than radial velocities over the same area of sky for the large number of stars involved. With the tremendous number of stars involved, we do not need to identify individual streamers but rather quantify the ``lumpiness" of the velocity distribution to constrain the number of streamers contributing to the halo population. Goals: 1) Completely trace streamers our to several hundred kpc. (do streamers come primarily from one type of orbit family, for example, satellites on radial orbits). 2) Measure coherence of streamers over full length of arcs (a measurement of the roughness of the Galactic potential). 3) Measure width of streamers (a combination of Galactic potential roughness and the initial internal velocity dispersion of satellite - important for understanding initial population). The internal velocity dispersion of the original object that was disrupted is expected to be several tens of km/sec for the most massive objects. It is therefore important to obtain proper motions that are as precise as possible and certainly better than several tens of km/sec to be able to say anything regarding the coldness of the stream and potentially about the original system. 4) Measure proper motions along stream to solve for ``guiding center" orbit (determines potential depth and shape). Geza, G., Evans, N.W., and Gates, E.I. 1998, ApJL, 502, 29 Iveciz, Z. et al. 2000, AJ, 120, 963 Clewley, L., et al. 200, MNRAS, 337, 87 Kochanek, C.S. 1996, ApJ, 457, 228 Wilkinson, M.I., and Evans, N.W. 1999, MNRAS, 310, 645 LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST Mailing List Server LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST This is message 151 in the lsst-general archive, URL LSST http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~dss/LSST/lsst-general/msg.151.html LSST http://www.astro.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/LSSTmailinglists.pl/show_subscription?list=lsst-general LSST The index is at http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~dss/LSST/lsst-general/INDEX.html LSST To join/leave the list, send mail to lsst-request@astro.princeton.edu LSST To post a message, mail it to lsst-general@astro.princeton.edu LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST