Apache Point Observatory 3.5m User's Committee Meeting March 11, 2002 Attending: Bruce Gillespie, Ed Turner, Michael Strauss, Lew Hobbs, Jon Holtzman, Rene Walterbos, Chris Stubbs, Alan Uomoto, Bruce Balick, Mike Shull **********Status of the DIS upgrade:******************************* Gillespie talked this morning with Peter Dougherty, who is one of the main U. Washington people involved in the DIS upgrade effort. There have been a number of problems with the installation, involving in part problems with the vacuum on the dewars. These are now mostly under control. Moreover, the blue camera cold strap was not quite touching the chip; it is now fixed. The red camera is ready to go on the sky. It looks very good. There does seem to be substantial fringing beyond 7000-8000A (as can be expected for this type of chip). However, the throughput of the blue camera seems low; there is a possibility that the lenslet in front of the blue chip has the wrong coating, which cuts about 50% of the light below 4500A. This should be fairly straightforward to replace or fix, but this should be made a high priority task. [Note added by Gillespie two days later: The coating on the blue camera field flattening lens was mis-specified (got the same coating as the red lens, our mistake). The vendor kept a spare uncoated blue lens, and can put the proper coating on it and have it here in two to three weeks. We have ordered the lens and will put in the replacement in April. We will use DIS as-is in the meantime with the degraded blue throughput, which will be characterized starting tonight (i.e., Wednesday, March 13).] There is still a small amount of work to align the blue chip and thus focus the blue camera. This should be complete by March 13. We are ready to go ahead and cut the relevant holes in the DIS manifold to run all the relevant cables. That is, we're go for finishing the DIS upgrade. The instrument will be on the sky for testing on Wednesday night, March 13. ***************DIS grating configurations:******************** Russet McMillan sent out a message (apo35-general 555) discussing various configurations for the gratings. The point is that there are two slots for grating pairs in the spectrograph, and three grating pairs available. Inserting new gratings in the spectrographs is time-consuming, and has the potential to damage the gratings. If we could settle upon a default set to be used most of the time, life would be much easier. With the DIS upgrade, previous experience on grating choices needs to be rethought. Note that these chips support on-chip rebinning (although this hasn't been exercised in all possible configurations). We realize we don't know all the variables yet. In particular, we need to know the relative throughputs of the various grating combinations, and the relative resolutions (Angstroms per resolution element) for default slit widths. Once the upgraded DIS is available, we need to take 1/2 night, and measure the throughput of the different configurations at a variety of airmasses. One possibility is to use the upcoming DIS engineering time on March 27-28. Before that time, DIS will be used for science, which will give us initial experience to help define this engineering run. In the meantime, DIS users will need to think carefully about which gratings they need. Another possibility is to get rid of the imaging mode, and put the third set of gratings in there. But imaging mode is still very valuable, e.g., for aligning slit masks, and may become more used with the improved chips (although, because DIS has substantial more optics than does SPICAM, the latter is probably superior for most imaging programs). Jon Holzman volunteers to coordinate the job of gathering the relevant information on how to settle these questions: throughput, resolution, readnoise, etc. ************************Time sharing with WIYN******************** Gillespie: We've been discussing with the WIYN folks the possibility of sharing time between our two telescopes, given the fact that the telescope instruments are quite different. They are continuing to push on wide-field imaging capabilities on WIYN. We could have some input on the design of their next-generation imager. If anyone would like to attend the meeting in which this will be discussed (next Monday/Tuesday at NOAO), Gillespie could wangle you an invitation. Contact Gillespie if you have any specific thoughts/suggestions/desires about the instrument. ************************Camron is leaving us!************************ Turner: Camron is planning to leave us this summer, and we'll need to start looking for a replacement. We're about to put a job notice out on the AAS job register. If anyone is aware of candidates, please encourage them to apply. The position will be filled in late summer. ************************Scheduling********************************** [Editor's note: Ed Turner had to leave early at this point of the meeting.] Every three months, the TAC's from the various ARC institutions give Ed Turner a ranked list of telescope proposals from their institution. Working down these lists, Ed does the scheduling process largely in a vacuum. He can't always discern the sense of the individual TACs, which can be difficult when, e.g., a somewhat lower-ranked proposal has stringent constraints on when the observations might take place. This can mean that it is impossible to schedule proposals which, although not the highest-ranked proposal, are still highly regarded by their TACs. This suggests that TACs should organize proposals not just in scientific quality order, but also in decreasing requirements on their scheduling. In this context, imagine a proposal which asks for 4 half-nights, one of which *must* be the second half of April 4 for an occultation observation, and the remainder to be scheduled any time. If the TAC found this proposal compelling, they may find it useful to split it into two, where the part asking for April 4 is particularly highly ranked (i.e., to be given priority in scheduling). Ed Turner needs to communicate in detail with the TAC's to explain what the failure modes in the scheduling are, so the TAC's (and proposal writers!) can adjust their proposals accordingly. We discussed the possibility of a meeting of the User's Committee and the institutional TACs/schedulers, to hash this out. We discussed some other, more radical ideas: queue scheduling, and block scheduling (where Institution X is given a block of 10 nights, to schedule internally among themselves). The last meetings' minutes were approved. The next meeting will be held at 11:30 AM EST on April 15. APO APO APO APO APO Apache Point Observatory 3.5m APO APO APO APO APO This is message 558 in the apo35-general archive. You can find APO the archive on http://www.astro.princeton.edu/APO/apo35-general/INDEX.html APO To join/leave the list, send mail to apo35-request@astro.princeton.edu APO To post a message, mail it to apo35-general@astro.princeton.edu APO APO APO APO APO APO APO APO APO APO APO APO APO APO APO APO APO