To those interested in transient science; I volunteered to write a first draft of the transient followup section. In sitting down to think about it, a number of questions emerge (see below). If you have any thoughts, please distribute them. Chris (Stubbs) - I hear you have some ideas on some of these and other issues. If you send them along, I'll incorporate them into the first draft. Fiona ----------------------------------- The science argument (some thoughts): Rather than targeting a particular type of transient (e.g. orphan GRB afterglows), I think the best argument we can make is maximizing discovery space. We should be clear about what we define as a transient, and what we want to emphasize as scientifically most interesting. On defining transient, do we mean catastrophic events, or do we include objects that have recurrent 'flaring' activity? On the issue of what is scientifically most interesting - I would vote for searching for catastrophic events such as collapsars, mergers, etc. -- events which have compact objects as the endpoint, and which may have transient lightcurves peaking in optical rather than gamma-ray or X-ray. A peak in the optical could be due to e.g. lower ejecta Lorentz factors resulting from more entrained material, or something intrinsic to the explosion itself. Orphan GRB afterglows are of somewhat secondary interest compared to something really new. Phase space for discovery: Since LSST is the trigger, the discovery phase space will be determined by the cadence and filters. The parameters relevant to discovery are: timescale of transient (length of time in the 'on' state) spectrum (colors) brightness Detecting a transient requires three images; two with the transient 'on', and at least one with it 'off'. The minimum timescale that can be detected therefore depends on the time between successive exposures, which should be a minute or even less. The third exposure can be any time later, however measuring short timescales would dictate that the three exposures be closely spaced in time. Followup: It seems clear that significant followup efforts will be required to identify the nature of detected events. The first problem is filtering out trash (variable stars, etc), which can be done to some extent be done using colors (?). The hard problem is figuring out what the objects are and connecting them to astrophysical phenomena. For this, the following will be essential: lightcurves (recurrence) distance (redshift) host properties counterparts at other wavelengths (radio,x-ray) Issues to resolve for the writeup: Phase space for transient detection is dictated by number and frequency of images (as many as closely spaced as possible to the limit that sensitivity is not significantly compromised). What can we assume reasonably (limited by other lsst goals)? Note that since we need two images with the transient 'on', if we want to sample minute-long transients, we need on average 30s exposures. Having multiple colors could help sort out candidates for followup. This requires (for a 1-telescope design) rapid switching of filters. We should think through how helpful this will be in reality. For example, GRB afterglows are blue - unless they are extincted or at high-Z, in which case they are red. So, to really do reasonable selection requires a number of colors - is it really feasible? How much is it worth pushing the observing Should a lightcurve followup program be planned for LSST for interesting events, or is this better done with a dedicated small telescope (or two)? Should some dedicated spectroscopy program be planned in advance, and be part of the 'mission', or should we assume that the community will react to interesting triggers? LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST Mailing List Server LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST This is message 160 in the lsst-general archive, URL LSST http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~dss/LSST/lsst-general/msg.160.html LSST http://www.astro.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/LSSTmailinglists.pl/show_subscription?list=lsst-general LSST The index is at http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~dss/LSST/lsst-general/INDEX.html LSST To join/leave the list, send mail to lsst-request@astro.princeton.edu LSST To post a message, mail it to lsst-general@astro.princeton.edu LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST LSST