Subject: Re: Google Power

From: Sidney Wolff

Submitted: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:50:01 -0700

Message number: 148 (previous: 147, next: 149 up: Index)

While this discussion has caused a great deal of amusement at NOAO, I 
think the energy would be better spent developing the science case and
requirements so that we can evaluate the design options.  I find that 
arguments are most passionate when we don't yet have enough information
to make a decision based on facts.  In any case, the
exchange will have to cease since I am about to leave for Australia.

And the questions that are relevant are not whether NOAO is a 
member of the LSST corporation.  The questions are:  1) is an
LSST of any design worth doing?  2) What is the key science that could be 
accomplished and accomplished in no other way? 3) Even, in our wildest 
dreams, suppose we had both PanSTARRs and an 8-m LSST; how could they combine 
to provide capabilities and scientific opportunities that neither could 
alone?

In order to decide what path to pursue, NOAO is trying to get as much 
information as it can about the options for realizing the decadal survey 
recommendation.  As I said, we are wearing many hats pursuing many paths to 
evaluate options.  If PanSTARRs is the right answer, we will find that out
better by developing it and the alternatives to a mature level so we can
do the trades--not by supressing work on one or another of the possible 
designs.  Since PanSTARRs is currently funded for construction, and the 8-m 
LSST work is being pursued entirely within existing operating budgets of
the partners, PanSTARRs should have a big head start.  And one thing you can
be sure about is that any decision NOAO makes ultimately about
what it should build will be made in a fishbowl with more community input
than you can possibly imagine--again, unlike PanSTARRs.

And now for the multiple paths to evaluating options:

The SWG was chartered to determine the science priorities, the science
requirements, and the position of the LSST in the overall context of all
the facilities that will be used for surveys in the next decade, including
PanSTARRs.  The report is to guide NSF decision making and is 
completely independent of efforts to realize any specific design.

In the case of PanSTARRS, which is fully funded and does not need 
multiple partners, there is no need to form a corporation.  Accordingly,
we have been working on an MOU with PanSTARRs to help where
appropriate, share technology where appropriate, and follow the
development so we know how it works out.

In the case of the monolithic version of the LSST, the only way
to participate in the design phase and directly influence the
priorities was to join a corporation, which we have done with
a clause that allows any of the partners to withdraw after the design
phase is complete.  We are a full and founding member of the corporation along 
with three other institutions, and currently have one-quarter of the votes.
Because we have established several other corporations (i.e. WIYN and
SOAR), and we have someone on staff who is familiar with procedures and 
with the appropriate state office, he has been named the legal contact should 
the state of Arizona need to reach someone.  Any issue will be taken to the
Board since the contact person is not an officer of the corporation.

I see no better way than the path we are on to obtain ALL the information
we need to make an informed decision.

And now to Australia.

Sidney


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