Subject: APO 3.5m users committee minutes, December 2014
From: Suzanne Hawley
Submitted: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 21:49:50 -0800 (PST)
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NOTE: There is some OPEN time available on the 3.5m in early January
during the AAS meeting. Please contact Suzanne and Russet if you are
interested in using this time.
APO 3.5-m Users Committee Phonecon, 12/15/14
Attending: Suzanne Hawley, Mark Klaene, Bill Ketzeback, Joe Huehnerhoff,
Scott Anderson, Rachel Kuzio de Naray, Joanne Hughes Clark, John
Wisniewski, Mark Hammergren, John Bally, Russet McMillan, Mary Beth
Kaiser, Don York, John Wilson, Nick MacDonald
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User feedback and comments from institutional representatives:
o Washington - Scott had nothing to report.
o Seattle - Joanne had nothing to report.
o JHU - Mary Beth had nothing to report.
o Oklahoma - Dome issues with ARCSAT, discussion postponed to later in the
meeting.
o Adler - Mark said the waether has not been cooperating for Adler lately.
o Colorado - John said that he had a nice night of 0.5 arc-sec seeing with
NICFPS this past week. This led to a discussion of whether seeing has
shown a marked improvement recently. Questions about ventillation, types
of weather and dome seeing were raised. Mark remarked that we have a long
term study of dome seeing and potential improvements in the enclosure.
o Chicago - Don also mentioned having excellent seeing the past few nights.
o Virginia - John had nothing to report.
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Discussion of telescope/instruments report:
3.5-m Telescope and Instruments Highlights
11/15/14 through 12/10/14
0) Overview
Weather has been OK much of the period overall with some periods of very
good weather, Site hosted a large SDSS IV meeting this period. Beth
Mitchell's training to replace Gretchen by the end of the year is
progressing well.
- Suzanne mentioned that most of the users main interaction has to do with
travel to the site. Mark asked users to give as much notice as possible
for the upcoming months.
1) Telescope
Telescope has been behaving well with the new TCC software.
2) Instruments
DIS has been operating normally. Collimation and internal focus does vary
somewhat with transition from summer to winter temperatures. Russet is
watching this closely and making adjustments when practical.
- Russet said there was a big focus change for recent deep cold snap.
Message for users is to keep an eye on spectral focus as they are taking
data. Contamination is increasing slowly and seems to be related to
ambient humidity rahter than ambient temperature.
- Don asked why. Mark explained the vacuum seal issue at the front of the
dewar. Investigating possible corrections including improvement to dry
air purge and potentially replacing vacuum seal.
Agile is operational with no problems
TripleSpec has an occasional instance of corrupted images. UVa is aware
of the issue however problem is intermittent and difficult to troubleshoot
effectively
- Bill said this was only discovered during checkout and has yet to affect
science. John Wilson will ask if this has occurred on other copies of
TSpec.
SPICam was operational during this period with no problems
Echelle inter-order light is holding with no additional issues.
NIC-FPS continues to operate in shared-risk observing mode due to
occasional image corruption issue. NFS less than 9 is operational.
GIFS is operational
3) ARCTIC
The instrument development is proceeding on schedule. The dewar has a
loaner CCD from STA and has been integrated with the readout electronics
by Bob Leach. It is at UW for further testing and development. ICC
development is in work. The optics purchase order is in process of being
placed. A report on the custom shutter has been finished. Plan to start
fabricating the remainder of the instrument after the first of the year.
- There was some discussion about the ICC and shutter development. User
input regarding having separate config window in TUI would be useful.
Binning can only be 1 - 4, and rectangular binning is possible but not
sure if it will be implemented. Don asked about narrow band filters and
how many filters fit in the wheel. Joe responded that there are 6
positions for filters. Instrument is on budget and on schedule so far
for commissioning this summer and potentially shared-risk observing in
the fall.
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o farewell to Michael Strauss and Princeton
We have really appreciated Michael's input on this committee. It has
been valuable and insightful. We also appreciate the service Michael and
the rest of the Princetom community has provided ARC and APO over the
years.
Note that Chicago is officially finished as an ARC partner at the end of
December 2014, but they are still owed a good deal of time over the next
year, so Don York will remain with us on the committee.
o reminder about 35general mailing list migration
We will turn on the new listserver on or near January 1. The new list
will purge many of the old email addresses including Princeton and others
no longer affilliated with ARC or the 3.5-m. Once the mailing list is
active we will work with Michael Strauss to get the archive of the old
list on APO computers. The list will still be called apo35-general but
will be at apo.nmsu.edu instead of at astro.princeton.edu
o 3.5m wiki now includes ARCSAT
Jon Holtzman sent out a message last week reminding users of his new
Wikipage.The idea of this page is primarily to supplement site
documentation especially for data reductions for 3.5-m and Arcsat users.
It also can be a place where users can contribute discussions or questions
about use of the telescopes or instruments as well as picking up tips from
other users. A few people have already contributed, especially about
echelle data reduction. ARCSAT users are especially encouraged to start
using the wiki to share their experiences.
o ARCSAT in Q1 2015
Arcsat is currently scheduled as shared risk observing through 1st week
of Feb. Sometime in Janauary there will be the next call for proposals.
Lots of good data are being taken. There are still some rocky transitions
around the time of instrument changes. A policy change has been
implemented which we hope will help: the first half night following a
change in cameras will now be considered engineering time to smooth this
transition. Don York expressed his concern that the attention the 3.5-m
Obs-specs are giving the ARCSAT users has taken away attention from 3.5-m.
Suzanne said that the plan is that the engineering on the 0.5-m would be
done by someone who was not scheduled as a 3.5-m Obs Spec on the same
night.
The shared risk phase on ARCSAT is basically complete and we are ready
to switch to normal operations for the next proposal cycle. We will work
out how to colect payment for time ($500/week) for the telescope once we
are out of shared risk mode. Don asked for information on the scheduling
in week blocks. He said he might be interested in telescope time but did
not need full weeks. Suzanne said that they would do their best to partner
up smaller programs as long as there were no filter or instrument changes
to fill up a full week.
o update on APOGEE fiber study
Jon Holzmann was not on so Nick MacDonald led the discussion. Last
meeting we had a discussion about the possibility of networking the 4
telescopes on site together with fiber bundles. We formed a subcommittee
to review Nick's white paper and form a science case for such a project.
Nick expressed that we should consider this as an infrustructure
improvement project for the site, to get the conduit and trenching done.
Two eight inch conduits are planned. Then add fiber to the APOGEE
instrument down at the 2.5-m support bldg. The plan would initially be for
~200 fibers but other fiber runs could be added later. Don mentioned a
possible science case. Nick will organize a phone call of interested
users in January. John Wilson said he will try to recruit some interest in
this project from other UVa users and some SDSS partners.
o optical spectrograph design study (action item) - Hawley, Klaene
Polled the committee members for a list of their users who expressed
interest in making contributing remarks and science cases.
JHU - Steve McCandless
(Suzanne mentioned that Steve Smee from the JHU IDG is also interested.)
GS - Mike Crenshaw, Misty Bentz, Rachel Kuzio de Naray
UC - Don York
UW - Scott Anderson
NMSU - Rene Walterbos (was volunteered by Suzanne)
We will try to organize a phone call about this in the next month.
o Forest service proposal for site infrastructure improvements
Nick MacDonald will work on this soon. We want it to be presented to
forest service early in 2015. Mark expressed that it could take many
months to a year to work its way through the bureaucracy. Don suggested
having Mike E. pull the orginal cooperative agreement for relevance.
o Actions - group
=====> ACTION: Users Committee members to poll their constituents to
engage and enlist people who are willing to be involved with the
specification and development of a new optical spectrograph.
Was discussed above, but we will leave this open to get more input in
January.
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Next meeting: The next Users Committee phonecon will be on Monday 26
January. The agenda and other materials will be sent to the committee
members during the preceding week.
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